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A Tech Demo is NOT a game in production

Journal Entry: Sun Jun 10, 2012, 5:54 AM
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Alternate title: "No, Square is not remaking Final Fantasy VII for the PS3".

If a clip is labeled "Tech Demo", it is NOT a game in production.  The purpose of a tech demo is to showcase the processing power and graphical capabilities of a system.  A lot of the time, real franchises are used in tech demos - Mario, Zelda, Final Fantasy - but these "snippets" of games are NOT examples of actual games in production.  They are "mock" games, or VERY short 'games', created for the sole purpose of making a console ACT like it is running a game.  Using known franchises just helps to get your attention.

This isn't to say that a Tech Demo might not later BECOME a game, and there's usually a lot of talk that they will.  But honestly, I can't even remember a time when it has. xD  And I've been here a while.

Actual games in production are showcased as such, and are NOT called "tech demos".  Once you know that, it's easy to tell the difference.

This is an EASY mistake to make, and even huge websites have made it.  But if you are a watcher of mine, you now know the difference between a tech demo and a game in production. :D  

As far as Final Fantasy goes, Square has NEVER begun ANY work towards remaking Final Fantasy VII (and in fact, they often insist that they don't WANT to remake it), but as usual, their PS3 tech demo back in '05 was mistaken for a game in actual production. It didn't help that for shits and giggles they threw that demo at the end of Crisis Core, though, so they were asking for trouble. And this newest "Final Fantasy: Agni's Philosophy" thing is as yet only a tech demo made to showcase real-time graphical capabilities and does not indicate an upcoming Final Fantasy game.

So in other words...
Please stop talking to me about these two Final Fantasy games because they are not 'games', they are tech demos.  
When in doubt, please use Google.
Love, Nya.




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Kandei-chan Featured By Owner Jun 13, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
I saw the title of this journal and automatically assumed it was about the E3 demo of Project Diva f with English menus. (There is a petition to get the English version sold outside Japan, if anyone would like to help out!)
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Nyaasu Featured By Owner Jun 14, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Well, if it was a "demo" of a game already in production, that is a different story!
I'd like to have that game in English, although I'm fine with the Japanese version if they don't bring it here after all. xD

Thank god the PSP is region-free, man. xD
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UltimaLOL Featured By Owner Jun 12, 2012
I mistakened the Zeldo tech demo for the WiiU for an actual game back then. xD
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Nyaasu Featured By Owner Jun 14, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
xD See? We all make that mistake. x3
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domon9884 Featured By Owner Jun 11, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
We talked about it at your house yesterday, and I did know one example of a tech demo becoming a game. Wii Sports.
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Tenki-101 Featured By Owner Jun 11, 2012  Student General Artist
And that's strange. Because I heard that Square DID want to put a PS3 Remake into the works after the critical acclaim of the tech demo. However, they couldn't because they didn't have all of the team members available and many have actual left the company since then.

As for tech demos being tech demos... I am so sad that Kara won't be an actual game either. ;m;
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Nyaasu Featured By Owner Jun 11, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Nah, the statements that they keep giving are that they don't want to put effort into a remake of VII -- in their words, they'd like to instead, "focus on better games".

NOT MY WORDS - theirs. xD

They DID discuss the idea of doing a remake of VII, but never even started it. So if that's what you mean, then you are right. x3

Plus, not having all the team members isn't stopping any company lately from remaking/continuing series that have even lost their original creators (that actually includes Final Fantasy!) xD

But at least Sakaguchi's still making games, outside of Square -- I hope he finds success! xD Last Story better not suck! x3 I hope it's more like Final Fantasy than Final Fantasy has become without him.
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Tenki-101 Featured By Owner Jun 12, 2012  Student General Artist
I want to play Lost Odyssy. Sakaguchi helped with that one (as a part of mistwalker) and even Nobuo did the music. XD It's WAY more FF than even the new FF's are. Which is sad... R.I.P. Square.
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Nyaasu Featured By Owner Jun 12, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I know, it makes me sad, too. :(
I want to like Square. D;
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Tenki-101 Featured By Owner Jun 12, 2012  Student General Artist
The only reason I like Square anymore is Tetsuya. If he left the company I wouldn't buy another Square game. I'll be honest. XD
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Nyaasu Featured By Owner Jun 13, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
LOL I agree with you on that. Although sometimes he frustrates me, overall, he's a cool dude. Plus, I'm starting to think that it's not his fault that his stories annoy me anyway. I think it's Square corporate's fault for planning so many doggone sequels. xD
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MileniaKitsuvee Featured By Owner Jun 10, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
I always thought it was pretty obvious. Tech Demo= Technological Demonstration. If it were a game in the making it would just be called a game demo. But I guess people focus too much on the "Demo" part and start getting excited.
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Nyaasu Featured By Owner Jun 10, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
LOL YES, I think that is what happens xD
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wiimaster97 Featured By Owner Jun 10, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I'm sorry, but every time you do this, it's like you intend to give your watchers a rude awakening. Fortunately, it's hard for me to be ticked off by a person I know it nice. :3

And fortunately, Final Fantasy isn't quite my thing. -w-;
Well, the words "Tech Demo" do put me off different from just a "Demo," so, yeah. I think people just assume too much, and it doesn't necessarily mean people who do it are bad, just, it happens too often. xD

Did these Tech Demos say anything about not actually being real games in production? You'd think they'd say something like that. xD
...Oh, wait, was that thing on the Wii U with Link and that movie thing a Tech Demo?! :0 I feel enlightened...! :XD:
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Nyaasu Featured By Owner Jun 10, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Actually it's just that I make these journals when I am annoyed. xD
I could probably cut out half the snippiness and it would sound nicer. x3

Yeah, I think it's kind of the Final Fantasy crowd that "Falls for it" the most, but, I've seen it happen with other gamers too (less experienced Nintendo fans for example) xD
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wiimaster97 Featured By Owner Jun 11, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Well, that could explain things. .3.

Heh... I've never felt pushed to rant in journals about games. Except maybe once or twice. :XD: And if I ever did, I'd never be complaining about others' attitudes.
Despite the fact that intolerance and arrogance are my top two pet peeves. .3.;

That would be me, three years ago. X'D A Nintendo fan with very little experience.
Well, that's why it's good to never be ill-informed about anything game-related, even something from a company you dislike, say, Microsoft. x3
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Nyaasu Featured By Owner Jun 11, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Attitudes? I wasn't annoyed by their attitudes, I just wanted to make it clear that a tech demo was not a game, so at least the people who watch me will maybe not talk about them as though they are games in production anymore. xD
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wiimaster97 Featured By Owner Jun 12, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Eh, well, I suppose to me it seems like you're mad at the people who kept apparently talking to you about this supposed game. :roll: Maybe I just think people are mad when they yell on the Internet... or, look like it. xD

Gosh, just gotta love how you can't tell how people say things on here. <w>;
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Nyaasu Featured By Owner Jun 12, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Haha, I know, that has gotten me in trouble before.

Sometimes, I think people are yelling at/insulting me, so I get defensive in my replies, and it turns out they didn't mean it like that at all. xD Then *I* look like a JERK. xD
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wiimaster97 Featured By Owner Jun 12, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I think it's gotten all of us into trouble before... or at least prompted yelling. xD

Ah, yeah, I've done it before and I've looked like a total scumbag, so I get where you're coming from. x3
On the other hand, in all honesty, I can't say I like when anyone gets so defensive as to think people are attacking them. It kind of annoys me. xD

But I'm okay with you, sort of. I know you're not a meanie-pants. .\ 3 /.
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Nyaasu Featured By Owner Jun 12, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
xD I am glad you know that. I can be snippy at times, but overall, I like to think that I am an agreeable person, and certainly not a meanie-pants. :lmao:

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Xephos49 Featured By Owner Jun 10, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Lol I got that after realizing they won't be making the Zelda Tech Demo as the real game, VII Tech Demo, and Agni's Philosophy Tech Demo. They all had awesome graphics though! D: T^T
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Nyaasu Featured By Owner Jun 10, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Oh yeah, no one can deny that they are pretty! xD
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Xephos49 Featured By Owner Jun 11, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
T^T QQ So sad they won't make any of them. T^T
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HaroldPotter Featured By Owner Jun 10, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
Good god, can you imagine how they'd screw up the VII remake after all the expanded VII universe stuff? Yikes.
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Nyaasu Featured By Owner Jun 10, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I'D PAY TO SEE WHAT THEY'D HAVE TO DO TO IT.

I'd get the popcorn ready.
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HaroldPotter Featured By Owner Jun 10, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
Well, Sephiroth would recite emo poetry somehow even WORSE than the Loveless crap, Vincent's Chaos form would be the Manifestation of Gothiness, Yuffie would be an even bigger Genki Girl than she already was, Tifa would look like she has cantaloupes nailed to her chest, and Barret would be even more racially insensitive than he was before. Also, they'd add in a Genesis boss battle for no fucking reason.
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Nyaasu Featured By Owner Jun 11, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
LOL OBLIGATORY GENESIS BOSS BATTLE.

Yes. Oh god.

Now I want there to be a remake.

But for reasons no one else wants it for.
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HaroldPotter Featured By Owner Jun 11, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
Well, they have to properly explain what the fuck is up with Genesis at some point. CC answered some questions, but why was he hanging around in DoC? What was he talking about?
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Nyaasu Featured By Owner Jun 11, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
xD I think...seriously, it was just an excuse to have Gackt in a Final Fantasy game, officially.
Squall was supposedly based on Gackt, and it was so well-known that even Gackt called him, "Little Gackt". xD So, just like when Sora's voice actor said, "Hey I'd like to play a bad guy" and then poof there was Vanitas, Square went "HOLY CRAP LET'S PUT GACKT IN A GAME" and poof, there was Genesis.
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HaroldPotter Featured By Owner Jun 11, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
They had him in Kamen Rider too. He did Kamen Rider Decade's theme song.
[link]

Wait, I thought Dirge of Cerberus came out before Birth By Sleep?
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Nyaasu Featured By Owner Jun 11, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I got that song from a friend. Gackt is awesome. IN FACT I BOUGHT SOME OF HIS ALBUMS ON iTUNES AND NOW I CAN'T LISTEN TO THEM.
/rage

It did, I was just pointing out a similar example of, "just for the hell of it". xD
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zillabean Featured By Owner Jun 10, 2012  Professional Digital Artist
I was just trying to explain this to some friends last night who were complaining about the HD Zelda demo used to showcase Wii U some time ago. They were going on and on about how these companies "tease" fans and I'm like DUDE IT SAID TECH DEMO. OF COURSE THEY'LL USE A BELOVED FRANCHISE FOR ATTENTION BUT IT STILL SAYS TECH DEMO. It's not "lying" when it's so upfront. A let-down, sure, that it's not real, but seriously... companies aren't always mean and evil and out to get us gamers ;)
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Nyaasu Featured By Owner Jun 10, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
LOL Well, I'll admit that I'll pay more attention to a tech demo that has Link in it than a tech demo with some random guy so.

They know what they are doing.

It's not so much a "lie" as, "hey look at this cool thing. Link's in it, you like Link, so pay attention!"
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zillabean Featured By Owner Jun 11, 2012  Professional Digital Artist
Exactly!
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KeinZantezuken Featured By Owner Jun 10, 2012
I'm not sure I understand why is rant FF7-centered. The latest demo from SE on Luminous Engine had no signs on any known FF referenced in it (except the general crystal-theme across the franchise).
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Nyaasu Featured By Owner Jun 10, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
OH...Wait, lol, I'm sorry, I misunderstood you. I wasn't saying that their latest Tech Demo implied that FFVII was being remade. xD It doesn't, and you're right, the only "Final Fantasy" in it was the title and maybe the crystal. xD

The "FFVII" Tech Demo was shown years ago, and still is creating rumors about a remake to this day. Sorry -- it's an OLDER tech demo.
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KeinZantezuken Featured By Owner Jun 10, 2012
What demo you are talking about exactly?
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Nyaasu Featured By Owner Jun 10, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I'm talking about two seperate tech demos (and I just edited the journal to make that clear). The one from '05, which was the opening of FFVII rendered on a PS3, AND the most recent one, "Agni's Philosophy".

Both have been mistaken for games in production by people I talk to. xD
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KeinZantezuken Featured By Owner Jun 10, 2012
Ah, I see. Now it makes sense.
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Nyaasu Featured By Owner Jun 11, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Yeah, sorry, I didn't realize you thought I was only talking about Agni's Philosophy. That, of course, has NOTHING to do with FFVII. xD
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Nyaasu Featured By Owner Jun 10, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Oh, and as for the FFVII centering, I used that because it's the most well known Square tech demo, at least in my experience, and it's the most common one to be confused for a game in production. I guess since it IS related to FFVII, it gets the most attention out of all their tech demos, in fact, no one's come to me on THIS website about "Agni's Philosophy" yet. I'm heading that one off at the pass. xD
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Nyaasu Featured By Owner Jun 10, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Well that's kind of the point, when a tech demo doesn't use a known franchise, I don't usually hear it being called a "game in production", but as soon as it's got Final Fantasy in the title, that's when people start talking to me about it. xD

So, in other words, because these two examples ARE Final Fantasy, people often present them to me, whereas generic tech demos tend to be ignored and not brought up.
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LadyShelleBelle Featured By Owner Jun 10, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Its like square trolled people with that FF7 demo at the end of crisis core, lol.

Though, like I showed you, FF7 remake was considered. But, sadly cancelled. Though, I guess we have enough FF games right now.. we're up to like.. FF13-14? *shrugs*

It is a easy mistake, I will agree. But, I do also agree research should be done. In honesty, as much as an FF remake would be nice. There are other games that could deserve a remake, but, that's just me lol.
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Nyaasu Featured By Owner Jun 10, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
It was considered as an option, but didn't even make it to "Cancelled" status, since it wasn't an official statement. They just kind of went..."nah". xD

LOL yeah we have enough for now. xD Square is having a hard enough time getting the ones they're ACTUALLY working on done. x3

And I TOTALLY AGREE and can think of a few games that deserve remakes, but then again, I am still content just playing the originals. xD

(P.S. - I didn't make this journal because of what you said, just so you know, I wasn't annoyed at you. xD It's more about this "Agni's Philosophy" thing, but the FFVII remake was just a good example) xD
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LadyShelleBelle Featured By Owner Jun 10, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Yeah, that true lol!

Same, I still play the originals of my old games as well. Have been doing so recently <3

( Not to worry hun, its fine <3 I understand, since that kinda thing must of gotten annoying for you lol )
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Nyaasu Featured By Owner Jun 10, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Just a bit, because Agni's Philosophy was presented by a large website AS an upcoming Final Fantasy game, and at first I was really confused when someone showed it to me, and then I realized it was, YET AGAIN, a tech demo taken out of context. xD

I guess using known franchises REALLY does create a problem, but I understand why they do it. If it was just, "here's a random girl fighting some creepy dudes in a cave", people probably wouldn't pay it much attention. xD If you say, "HEY LOOK GUYS, FINAL FANTASY!" everyone pays attention. xD xD xD
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LadyShelleBelle Featured By Owner Jun 10, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Oh dear, some people -really- need to do their research properly don't they? Lol!

As an FF myself, it is a popular game.. if you're into RPG's of course. Though, I do agree if you say one thing, no attention. Say anything FF it gets attention lol. Though, for me the recent FF haven't really appealed to me, so.. I'm sticking with my old ones lol <3
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Nyaasu Featured By Owner Jun 10, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I'm sort of with you there, as the games get higher in number, my liking for them really does start to go down. x3 I really didn't like FFX, and I have VERY SMALL HOPE for any game above that, although I am willing to try them still. xD
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LadyShelleBelle Featured By Owner Jun 10, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I liked FFX, not as much as the previous games before that, but, still liked it. I even kinda have a soft spot for FFX-2 as well.. Wasn't as good as FFX but, in my opinion still good.

I haven't played the new FF games, so I can't say I hate them. But, I can say from what I've seen of gameplay / heard.. they just don't appeal to me lol!
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